Readers of this blog may have seen the entry and subsequent comments detailing the travails of my friend Lew who found a $138 RT New York-Denver nonstop fare on Delta for peak holiday travel.
Lew had a confirmed e-ticket, roundtrip nonstops in both directions, but about two months before departure, Delta called him to inform him that they were now putting him on connecting flights, meaning that his total travel time was longer. The new outbound flight would leave JFK two hours earlier, at an inconvenient 6 AM.
Some of the comments on that previous entry insisted that he must not have had a confirmed ticket. But he did. It wasn't a reservation that he had on hold. He bought it directly from Delta.com. Another comment suggested that if he called Delta, they would rescind their decision and put him back on the nonstop. That didn't happen. He called Delta again last night, and this is what he told me they told him:
"The Delta reservationist I spoke to said that, 'Well, you were on the lowest of low fares. But coach seats on the nonstop are now sold out. However, you could buy a business class fare, seats are still available.' Needless to say, I'm not going to do that."
When I checked last week, coach seats on his flight were still available, but for over $600.
Imagine, if you will, that you renovate your kitchen, and you specify and buy granite countertops, and a few weeks before the installation the contractor tells you, "I'm substituting Formica. But you're still going to be charged the same price we agreed on." That's essentially what Delta did.
Follow up (Nov. 1)
After writing a reasonable email to Delta, and calling them again, our friend Lew was re-instated on Delta's nonstop. Lew, in his letter, avoided saying, "I'll never fly Delta again!" which would give them no incentive for helping him. So this story had a happy ending, but it took a lot of work and had Lew given up on his first attempt he'd still be crossing his fingers that he made his tight connections.
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I wrote Delta to see if they were putting a stop to this outrageous behaviour ( I included a link to this page) and here's their reply:
Thank you for contacting Delta Air Lines.
Delta's policy is to respond with 'no comment' to all rumors. We follow this approach consistently in order to avoid providing an implied confirmation or denial in certain circumstances.
We appreciate your interest in Delta Air Lines. Any additional correspondence will be kept on file.
Sincerely,
Tina Alameda
Online Customer Support Desk
http://www.delta.com
Rumor? That's a convenient categorization, don't you think?
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The first time was last year for a flight from Denver to Tallahassee only I never received an email or a phone call. If I hadn't checked my itinerary I would never have known. I called Delta and the appropriate changes were made in my favor.
The 2nd and 3rd time occured with a flight from Denver to DC through Atlanta. I booked my trip for 12/22-12/29 last May more than 7 months before the trip for $172.00 rt. This past Spetember I checked my itinerary and discovered that all 4 legs had been changed and I was now flying via Cincinatti and what had been a 1 hour layover was now 3.5 hours. I called Delta got a nice operater and got everything changed back in my favor.
Well last week I check the itinerary again and it had been changed AGAIN!!! This time I called Delta immediately and the opperator I got was rather elderly and didnt understand why I wanted to change my flights back to what they had been. After much wrangling with her she made changes. During the process she told me that Delta had sent me an email and that I had called the next day to tell them I approved of the changes which is 100% complete BS because I would not have approved of the new changes. After asking to speak with a supervisor I got my changes made in my favor but when I asked for some consideration like an upgrade or additional miles to my frequent flyer account I was told NO!
If it weren't for all the miles I ahve accrued with Delta I would NOT be flying with them anymore.
Cheryl
Sure enough, we got off the plane and the airline tried to pass it off as a weather issue (we'd already landed on time, so clearly it wasn't). They refused to reimburse us for any of the expenses we incurred while spending an extra ten hours stuck in NYC and suggested that if we couldn't or didn't want to pay for a hotel, that we could sleep on the floor of the airport. I sent a very strongly worded letter to Delta and got all of my expenses reimbursed, plus a $100 travel voucher for the inconvenience. This was a nice gesture, but I wish that they'd been more helpful from the beginning rather than making flying such an impossible and stressful ordeal!
A month prior to our vacation, Delta called and had changed our flights explaining that the original flights were no longer available. The new flights went in and out of JFK for the New York portions, and were at quite different times than the originals. I had SPECIFICALLY chosen the flights to use LaGuardia. If I'd wanted to go to JFK, I'd have chosen JetBlue!
Finally, after having the agent give me more options, I settled on a flight from OAK to LGA, with plane changes in Salt Lake City AND Cincinnati. Those flights were run by Skywest, Delta, and ComAir (!), respectively. We still had to go from JFK to PWM, as there were no longer any flights from LGA. On the return from Boston we had a plane change in Salt Lake City.
What a hassle! At least the flights we ended up on had minimal differences in departure, travel, and arrival times (1 hour or less). My biggest concern was whether our luggage would survive 2 plane changes on the way to New York.
On the plus side, the luggage made it and all flights arrived on time or early.
I will NOT choose Delta again.
As an aside, I notice that airlines are allowing more and more time for their flights. Delta allowed 1 hr, 41 minutes from JFK to PWM. We left almost 30 minutes late and still arrived 10 minutes early! I think air time for the flight is substantially less than an hour.
The pertinent portion is below. It states they may indeed do whatever they wish in the name of "necessity".
Delta will use its best efforts to carry the passenger and baggage with reasonable dispatch. Times shown in timetables or elsewhere are not guaranteed and form no part of this contract. Delta may without notice substitute alternate carriers or aircraft, and may alter or omit stopping places shown on the ticket in case of necessity. Schedules are subject to change without notice. Delta is not responsible or liable for making connections, or for failing to operate any flight according to schedule, or for changing the schedule or any flight.
I'm very surprised that Delta was able to do this. I've had a schedule change in my flights before, and when connecting, sometimes I'm rerouted to make the original connection if time is too short. I actually enjoyed the schedule change, since I'm the type of flier who enjoys flying as much as possible. I called United, and I'm sure I could have booked my original connection with a different time, but I choose to stay with the added connections that the computer choose for me [with overlapping times, thus the reason I had to call].
Anyway, personally I would talk to customer relations. I know they normally don't handle reservation issues, but I've always had a good experience with CR. Point out the fact you can see seats are available when checking Y, and it doesn't matter what fare class you booked in, you booked a confirmed ticket for that flight, period. Make up some excuse, or a sob story, maybe that you have to take pain killers to manage your pain, and you have to take a non-stop flight as the medicine has severe side effects. If they're still unable to accommodate you, ask them to book you on an alternate airline [JetBlue, United, Frontier, or Continental]. Review Delta's contract of carriage for specific guidelines that Delta's agents have to follow, but they're also human, so appeal to their humanity as well.
If you still can't get a non-stop flight, the solution might be to get on a later connecting flight, check-in 24-hours before departure, and ask me to placed on the stand-by list for the non-stop.
@Matthew
To make matters worse the fare had gone down $35 from an original good fare, but there was no refund unless it went down more than $75.00.
American "schedule change"
After a couple hours, they put us on another flight to Dublin that connected thru Heathrow. Never do that - Heathrow was awful. It took over 1 1/2 hours to get to the connecting gate. American did give us travel vouchers for the inconvenience, but it cost us most of a day of our vacation due to the delay in getting to Dublin.
U.S. Air just doesn't care about its customers.
I am having all my family up to visit us for Christmas. My father hates to fly and is always the mose difficult to get anywhere. Well, I managed to book him a direct flight from Orlando to Boston, for December 23rd (peak time, obviously) for about $300. He lives in Ft. Myers but was willing to drive to get the nonstop afternoon flight. Plus the cost was pretty good for a roundtrip, coming back the 28th of December.
Now, we already PAID for the tickets, had confirmations in hand, and so on. What does Delta do? Informs us a week later that now he has to fly through Atlanta AND leave 3 hours earlier in the day! They also changed his return flight by more than 3 hours.
When we called to insist we had reservations specifically to coincide with other family members flying in from all over, we couldn't believe what Delta told us. They actually said that they had the RIGHT to change flights whenever they deemed it necessary. As my father forced the customer service person to admit, Delta apparently no longer sells confirmations, they sell "suggestions." They also could not tell us why it became necessary to change his flights three months ahead of time. Do they know something about the weather that we don't? Of course not. They want to save those choice seats to sell to frazzled, hard up last minute travelers.
Thankfully, the new SkyBus airline had opened up their Ft.Myers-Portsmouth leg that week, and we immediately cancelled the Delta flight and booked on SkyBus. This is even better, since my father can leave from his own town, and lands in my town rather than the huge Logan airport in Boston. Obviously, SkyBus could surprise us too with a change but they seem a little less likely, since they fly only a few routes anyway.
Delta even gave us some trouble about the refund, but finally gave in since their policy stated that if flights were changed by 3 hours or more, we were entitled to a refund. I likewise have many frequent flier miles on Delta and frankly, before this last year, I had no problems like this (and I flew Boston to Honolulu all the time for Navy purposes). Now, I am seriously wondering if someone new has come along in management. When did they decide that bait-and-switch would work and no one would notice?
Of course long term they might turn off enough customers for it to bite them in the behind, but then all they have to do is drop fares $5 under the next guy and they're back to full planes.
Reading this reminded me of a similar stunt that US Airways used to pull on a short connector flight from Baltimore to Norfolk that I had to take twice a month for a while several years ago. Four times in a row (over a period of several weeks) they delayed the plane for "mechanical problems" and eventually notified us that they had arranged a bus to take us down to Norfolk. So we'd all bought $300 bus tickets!
The second and third time it happened, my boss and I raised a fuss and they agreed to pay for a rental car instead of making us ride in the sardine can, but they didn't offer it to everybody.
I switched to American and haven't been back to US Air since....but I don't think they care, ha!!
Thanks for all your hard work.
Here's a new factoid your readers may be interested to learn. I've been luggage-less since Sunday because of this:
Frontier does not scan their bags, according to Frontier supervisor Tammy at OKL. Consequently, whenever a bag is lost, she says, they have no way to know where it might be until someone physically puts their hands on the bag and enters the tag number in the "found bag" system. And unfortunately, there is no motivating reason for anyone to do that.
Bags are not declared "unrecoverable" until after five days. Until then, they pay only $25 for essentials the first 24 hours, another $25 after 48 hours and 50% of new clothing purchases with receipt, up to a maximum of $100.
Let the games begin.
Rebecca McCormick
travel journalist and photographer
Its the same old Delta with different colors (the same old ugly step sister).
shame shame shame.