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Southwest, You Either Have Open Seating or You Don't!Travel Q&AYou can submit your own question to us at askgeorge@airfarewatchdog.com. We will try to answer as many as possible. If we use your question in a future newsletter, we will send you a free Airfarewatchdog T-shirt. We do not print your name or other details in our newsletters. To post a comment to one of our Q&A's please click on "read more" and then "post a comment." Current posts | CategoriesSouthwest, You Either Have Open Seating or You Don't!Q: On a recent Southwest Airlines flight, a flight attendant told we passengers that if enough of us did not agree to move (which meant taking a middle seat in this full-to-capacity flight) so that a family with three kids could sit together, "we are not going anywhere. We will push back only when enough people switch with them, and if we have to we'll just sit here and wait for as long as it takes." As you know, Southwest has open seating, and there are three things you can do to ensure you have a decent place in the line. You can pay 10 dollars a seat extra for Early Bird Check-in, which guarantees you an “A” boarding pass, or you can sit at your computer exactly 24 hours before your departure time and check in. You can also purchase a Business Select fare, which is more money, but boards before everyone else. So, to threaten a plane full of passengers with delaying the flight's departure because this family did none of those things--well, you can imagine how that went over. They finally did get enough people to switch, but that's beside the point. We left the gate late. Southwest, you either have open seating or you don't! I have never seen either of these things happen on a Southwest flight before, and I fly quite a lot. My question: were we required by law to follow the flight attendant’s command, and what would have happened if no one changed seats? A: Never if my 20 plus years of following the airline industry have I heard of such a thing. Shame on this flight attendant, however well intentioned she or he was. Technically, you are required to follow crew member instructions, but if a flight attendant told you to stand on your head, would you? This flight attendant should be written up for bullying passengers and causing a late departure, and he or she most likely would have been had no one changed seats, causing a severe delay. I suggest that you write to Southwest and complain. I understand that you are a fan of the airline, and there are many reasons for being one, however many travelers refuse to fly Southwest precisely because of its open seating policy, which is designed to keep fares low but which many deride as a “cattle car” approach to customer service. Post a Comment
The flight attendant bullying passengers? Or was it a case of rude passengers scattering all over because they don't want to sit with anyone any longer than they have to before the flight takes off?
If I get on board and someone sees that I have a small child that I can't possibly have sit alone, I'll tell them they are rude SOB's to their faces. by Raines on Tuesday, October 11, 2011
I am upset when I pay for early bird seating, then am forced to move to make room for a family that didn't pay for reserved seating. I don't understand this! by Kathy on Wednesday, October 05, 2011
How many people out there would think differently about this situation if it were them traveling with their family. Mr Hobica, I wonder how your mother would feel about the callous way in which you handled this question. My bet is that she would be embarrassed, I bet you taught you better than to go through life with no compassion for your fellow travelers. It is answers to questions that this that give the media an opportunity to teach everyone to handle situations with grace as opposed to thinking only of themselves. You owe your readers an apology for your answer by disgusted on Sunday, January 09, 2011
1. It was probably intimidation within the bounds of the flight's ability to get clearance to taxi. Had push come to shove (literally?), the attendants would most likely have seated the family in whatever seats were available in order to get into the taxi queue.
2. The author did not say the flight WAS delayed.
3. The family's late boarding may have been beyond their control. Got caught in the TSA snare? Transferring from a late connecting flight? Whatever.
4. Some travelers abuse, or at least try to manipulate open seating. On my last flight (DEN-BOS), we totally misjudged the TSA times and boarded less than 10 minutes before flight time, and the aircraft was maybe 90% full. There were 2 folks in Row 1, seats A and C, not clearly a couple (on first glance). As I had a few minutes to observe, I realized that 1B was probably the best remaining seat on that plan. And when I asked them if I could share their row, the holder of 1C shifted over to sit next to her hubby! Of course that left me in the front row aisle seat - a sweet place to be on a 3-hour flight!
So I think a lot of fliers can easily shift to other seats and not really be that inconvenienced. by doulos on Thursday, January 06, 2011
FlyLessNow, if some what you call losers are taking the window and aisle, ...ask for the middle, and 9 out of ten times one of them will move. If not, maybe they weren't traveling together as you suspected after all. Besides, I rarely see flights that end up with open seats between two people any more; 95% of the flights are 100% packed, so far as I can tell!
Personally, I feel that if you jusat have to ride with your family/spouse/whatever, you should probably go on a full fare airline. If it involves getting stuck in a seat I really want to be in, I'm not moving, it's that simple. As for the SW thing where you pay extra to board first, I've done it and won't do it again, because when half the plane does it, and they don't have a cutoff, you can still have to get on after 50 other people, who i can guarantoo have taken all the primo seats. by walmartian on Wednesday, January 05, 2011
Obviously that flight attendant's actions were inappropriate, but since you didn't suffer any harm except astonishment, you don't really have a claim to compensation. The best thing you can do is to alert Southwest to the error, which you've done. by Bruce on Wednesday, January 05, 2011
Come on, have some civility and move so the family cn be together! I'm sure the flight attendant was not being literal. Be p0olite people, be polite. We are all in this together. Keep smiling and give up your seat for little old ladies and families who want to sit together, Didn't your mother teach you to be polite? by rraabe on Wednesday, January 05, 2011
Two questions: (1) If most airlines, including Southwest, are these days flying at capacity or near, how exactly does open seating save money?; (2)if Southwest has classless seating, why not have a policy of boarding rear sear passengers first to save time? by acidjack on Wednesday, January 05, 2011
Oh, we can top that! Folks who paid for "assigned seats" AND "priority boarding" on ALLEGIANT AIR from Grand Rapids, MI, to Punta Gorda, FL, seated in the forward half of the plane were told to move to the back half of the plane AFTER open seating had taken their places, or "the plane will not push back from the gate." Yup. "If you want to get off the ground, you will have to move back." This, after a two and a half hour delay on the ground for "deicing", which didn't actually occur until about 10 minutes before departure. Ever wonder why there is no information available for "on time departure/arrival" for Allegiant Air? "Budget flying" is not an acceptable excuse for this shoddy customer service. I tried for two weeks, by phone, e-mail and online chat, to have a $100 mistaken overcharge by Allegiant removed so that I could book a seat to no avail. Glad I didn't pay extra for an assigned seat. I ended up with a better one than those who paid and had to move. I have paid $9 for flights on Spirit Air with NONE of these troubles! by matlachamama on Wednesday, January 05, 2011
A similar incident happened to me when I flew on Delta last summer. A gate agent gave away my seat without my permission so a family could sit together. The family did not even have young children. I wrote a letter of complaint to Delta, and got an apology and five thousand air miles (which will not get me very far).But at least they acknowledged that the gate agent made a mistake. Hopefully, they informed her about my complaint, so she does not make the mistake again. by Anonymous on Wednesday, January 05, 2011
Seriously? The flight attendant said that? I would be writing the company and demanding (politely) a refund or another fare free, because that flight attendant was in the wrong, and caused an entire plane of passengers to be late. It's utterly inappropriate to expect that others will change seats for you, no matter who *you* are. Everyone has the right to ask. But everyone else has the right to say, "Sorry, no," with no explanation. To the poster who got no response from the company: tell them what you want. If it's just a response, then ask for one as to the company's stated policy on such behavior. If you want recompense for your inconvenience, then ask for it. Rule one of complaining for poor service to to be polite. Rule two is to put it in writing. And rule three is to tell them what you want. by mickisue on Wednesday, January 05, 2011
George & Co: I know you have drunk the orange kool-aid about SWA, but they are not always the cheapest even with the free bags. I have consistently found cheaper fares on AA and other even when I factor in my bag costs. I love SWA's refund policies, but the rest is not always the best. by rubytiara on Wednesday, January 05, 2011
I fly Southwest frequently and agree that I have never heard of this happening. SW does have open seating, HOWEVER the old 'cattle call' approach is no longer appropriate Watchdog. Not only can you can sign in 24 hours prior to flight departure and get your boarding pass which determines when you board and elimates the waiting in line cattle call part of it all(A23, B30, etc.)
Also you have the option of purchasing Early Bird check in for $10 per person. This ensures that your boarding pass is pulled 36 hours prior to flight departure, vitually guaranteeing an 'A' boarding. Only one person on the reservation really has to pay and they can save seats for the kids once they get on the plane. Southwest planes are clean and they run on time. For the most part FA's are polite and helpful. Plus no fee's for luggage or for changes.
They have changed alot and you need to keep up. :-) by buzymom3 on Wednesday, January 05, 2011
Southwest open seating sucks. Flew to Vegas with wife for 40th anniversary. Could not get on internet because of travelling to try book seat so we sat apart on way out even though we were at airport 2 hours ahead. On return flight, I tried to reserve early and was not permitted because I had booked a "Southwest vacation package" so we sat apart, in middle seats again. Lots of LOSER passengers traveling together take window and aisle seats hoping nobody will take the middle so two people can stretch out into three seats. How inconsiderate! I won't fly Southwest again! by FlyLessNow on Wednesday, January 05, 2011
Writting doesn't help same thing happened to me on a flight from Atlanta to Phx. I wrote and they didn't even bother to respond. Then I read they were letting people go and figured no wonder they flight attendant didn't care. I expected some response the letter was direct and to the point. So good luck on getting a response. by ndtjdowney on Wednesday, January 05, 2011
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