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Hawaiian Airlines leaves family of eleven stranded

Q. My family of 11 were booked on Hawaiian Airlines from Seattle to Honolulu for a two week vacation. The plane we were to fly out on was supposed to be arriving from Oakland, and we were scheduled to depart at 8:05 am. The plane arrived from Oakland at 8 pm, 12 hours late! Finally, we were told the flight would now leave at 10 am the next morning, and no hotels were offered. The next day, we were told our flight was cancelled, and the earliest we could fly out would be a whole seven days later. Needless to say, our long planned vacation was ruined and we incurred significant expenses. What recourse do we have?

A. Yikes, what a nightmare! At eleven tickets, plus lodging, it seems to us that Hawaiian should - at the very least - offer you vouchers. And according to their contract of carriage, item 5 seems to back that up:

Amenities/Services for Delayed Passengers
The carrier will assume the expenses outlined below for all passengers incurred as a result of cancellation, delay or interruption of any flight on which a passenger holds confirmed reservations. Passengers will be informed of the available amenities when a delay is expected to exceed 4 hours.
1. Hotel Rooms - HA will provide one-night's lodging at accommodation selected by HA when a passenger's delay is expected to exceed 4 hours and extend into the period 10:00 pm through 6:00 am, and no scheduled alternate transportation is available to the passenger's destination or stopover point. HA will not provide lodging for passengers who reside in the city where the interruption occurs.

2. Meals - Passengers will be furnished one meal voucher if the delay will extend beyond the    four  (4) hours. No alcoholic beverages will be furnished to any passengers.

3. Local Ground Transportation will be provided to the downtown area or from/to local hotel whichever is applicable.

4. Communications - One long distance telephone call will be allowed between any two points in the United States.

5. In lieu of the above, and subject to passenger's approval, HA will compensate the passenger with credit valid for the purchase of transportation. The credit will be valid for travel only on HA within 365 days of the date of issue and will apply only to online transportation via HA, may not be endorsed to or accepted by any other carrier and is not refundable to, saleable by, transferable by or assignable by the passenger.


 


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How about small claims court? In California, you can sue for up to $7500. You should be able to sue where you bought the tickets.
by Connie on Thursday, December 31, 2009
I agree with Karen's note about the importance of travel insurance. However, everyone should be aware that the price varies depending on the price of your trip (logically), and also your age. Seniors often have to spend closer to $300 each. Also, some policies offer less coverage-- dollar-wise and types of incidents covered.
by Geezett on Wednesday, December 30, 2009
In this case, something like an 6 day delay, what good is one day hotel and meal vouchers??
by Chis on Wednesday, December 30, 2009
Chasing last minute airfares from Australia to North America(Seattle or Vancouver). Do last minute flight deals even exist anymore. Prices appear to be going up, not down, despite plenty of seat availabilities.
by Thrifty Traveller on Tuesday, December 29, 2009
Airlines treat passengers like cargo because we've come to expect that we will PAY the same as shipping cargo. Or less. We DO have the right to be accomodated when a flight is cancelled, but we also had better get used to the idea that we have to politely demand that we be accomodated. A family of 11 traveling together, whether it's one family, or a group of relatives, is, as another poster commented, difficult to get all on the same flight. So. a) GET TRAVEL INSURANCE. I was offered it when booking a flight yesterday, for $15. How NOT to take it? b) Get used to asking for what you want. If you do not live in the city from which you are flying, ask for a hotel. If there are no flights that can fit all of you, ask how soon you can travel if you split up, or if you travel to a different city to get to your destination. I have been stranded because there is a problem at a connecting city. Based on my own knowledge of what cities that airline used, I managed to get a flight to a different connecting city, and get home on Friday instead of Saturday afternoon. Bottom line is that airlines, and other vendors of all sorts, will treat us the way we allow ourselves to be treated. AND at the price that we pay for it. BTW: I wasn't kidding about the issue of the cost of carrying us from place to place. I just paid $42 to ship a package weighing less than 3# international priority mail to Italy. Assuming that the average human weighs at least 50 times that (150#), that translates to about $2200 for a human to fly one way to Italy. In a cargo hold. Think about it.
by mickisue on Tuesday, December 29, 2009
TO AIRFARE WATCHDOG: Your answer to 11 people who are requesting assistance does not provide much relief.
by astenv on Tuesday, December 29, 2009
((A family 0f 11? Maybe the gods are punishing them for having way too many children? LOL , but seriously...))

If our family and my husband's brother and family traveled together it would be 12 people. 3 (adult) kids per family, plus a son-in-law and a grandchild. Many families travel with grandparents, aunts, uncles, siblings/spouses, etc. I would be willing to bet that this was not 2 parents with 9 kids!!! If each of my 3 kids were married and had 1 child each, we would be 11, too!!!

by Queenangelfish on Tuesday, January 27, 2009
((A family 0f 11? Maybe the gods are punishing them for having way too many children? LOL , but seriously...))

Um, excuse me??? That's rather judgement. Besides, you're making an assumption that family is two parents and children. . . could be extended family. Or maybe they're all adopted.... no matter what, it wasn't necessary to equate this family's size with the poor treatment given by the airline.

by C on Tuesday, January 06, 2009
(((If any other company in any other industry treated it's customers so abysmally, not only would they be up to their teeth in Class Action lawsuits, but they'd be outta business so fast it would make their heads spin. . .)))

Jim, I couldn't agree more!

by C on Tuesday, January 06, 2009
(Sigh . . .)

Every time I come on this site, I read some tome about SOMEONE who got shafted by this airline or that. . . . Quantas makes a balls up of someone's flight to Australia, Delta reams an early-bird discount flier by "canceling" his seat on a holiday flight so they can sell it to someone else for 3x the price, etc. etc. etc.

If any other company in any other industry treated it's customers so abysmally, not only would they be up to their teeth in Class Action lawsuits, but they'd be outta business so fast it would make their heads spin. . .

I don't understand this - will someone please explain to me why at least ONE airline doesn't start a "We treat you like CUSTOMERS, not CARGO." ad campaign? You would think. . . if there were a half-dozen carriers going from "A" to "B" - and one offered customer service that met even minimal levels of acceptability - not even talking about "customer centric" service - they'd have more customers than they'd know what to do with.

What say ye?

Jim

by jharris1993 on Monday, January 05, 2009
Travel Insurance is the answer. It is so important, no matter who is traveling, family or no family. It's a small investment and a great piece of mind. It sucks that this family went through this but if they had insurance, their money would've been protected. I've had numerous clients be stranded overnight of a 7 night package. When you're paying big bucks to stay at a 5 star resort for a week, a one night loss really adds up to alot of money. I've seen so many horror stories over 16 years. I purchase travel insurance for myself even if I'm doing an airline ticket because if you are cancelled or delayed at the last minute, chances are your hotel is going to charge you a one night fee too, so buying the insurance will save you in the long run. And any good travel agent that knows what they're doing, SHOULD offer the insurance. If this family of 11 was going to Hawaii, paying ALL that money, you'd think another small investment of say under $100 per person (less for the kids) would've been a wise decision for the travel agent to insist on them purchasing. I don't know if they had an agent or not but there's a good reason why people should still use one! :)
by Karen on Wednesday, December 31, 2008
I'd go the local press route. The company pays millions a year to advertise and they don't want the headline: "Family of 11 stranded by Hawaiian Air". Some Hawaiian VP of marketing will pay anything to get you out of the papers and off the local news.
by cyfan on Wednesday, December 31, 2008
People should stand together and boycott this type of airline abuse! I know it is easier said than done but these people were actually abused by Hawaiian Air. RP
by RP on Tuesday, December 30, 2008
I would suggest emailing Christopher Elliott, the Travel Troubleshooter columnist on cnn.com. His column and this site are my two favorite travel sites, and he's pretty good about helping people negotiate solutions with unresponsive airlines. celliott@ngs.org and his columns can be found here http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2008/news/troubleshooter/
by May on Tuesday, December 30, 2008
@Skinny: There are way more airlines going to Hawaii than those you listed. In fact, Philippine going to Manila, not the mainland states.

From mainland to HNL:
Alaska, American, Continental, Delta, Hawaiian, Northwest, United, US Airways
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honolulu_International_Airport#Main_Overseas_Terminal_.28Gates_6-34.29

@Matthew

by matthewsoft on Monday, December 29, 2008
I would have tried to take legal measures against the company if they didnt try to make good. I feel guilty saying that I am glad it wasnt me. However, it couldnt been any one of us. The ONLY airline that is halfway decent is Southwest. Thats a fact not an opinion. Most of them suck. Since Aloha went under, that just leaves Philippine airlines, Continental, & Hawaiian that fly to hawaii. If this happens to any of you, DONT HESITATE to threaten them with contacting the CEO or VP of the company
by Skinny on Monday, December 29, 2008
Another thing to consider might be that with 11 people, seats at the last minute would be hard to find. Had they volunteered to split up in a reasonable way (at least 1 adult with however many kids), they might have been able to find flights much sooner than a week out. Splitting up for flights isn't the worst of all scenarios... everyone can just meet up at the airport or hotel upon arrival if a few hours apart. My boyfriend and I have flown separately many times for various reasons (loyalty points, scheduling, etc.) and it's really no big deal. I bet this had a lot to do with "unavailability" of flights. I find it hard to believe that NO planes from SEA-HNL had a few seats each to mete out over the course of a week. I agree with poster... it seems their direct flight from SEA to HNL was dependent upon the plane's arrival from OAK. Therefore, accommodation in SEA wouldn't be warranted. If they connected in SEA from some other city, of course, they should have been given rooms to accommodate the unexpected "layover".
by samper on Tuesday, December 30, 2008
Travel insurance is a good investment when traveling with your family. A number of plans include children under the age of 17 free, when accompanied by an adult family member. With travel insurance, you can call the Customer Service desk while waiting in line to rebook. They can help you with your airline, rebook you with another airline, help you with local arrangements and much more. It's a small investment that can pay big benefits!
by Travel Insurance Lady on Monday, December 29, 2008
@La Kane: From what they said, their flight was incoming from Oakland, they weren't flying to Oakland. It looks like their was some cancellation because of weather or maintenance in Hawaii or Seattle, thus forcing HA to make an unscheduled flight from OAK-SEA, since they don't provide service between those two cities.

It looks like it was this flight:
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/HAL1028/history/20081221/2354Z/KOAK/KSEA

And these are the departures from SEA:
http://www.flightstats.com/go/FlightStatus/flightStatusByAirport.do?airport=sea&airportQueryDate=2008-12-21&airportQueryTime=0&airlineToFilter=(HA)+Hawaiian+Airlines&airportQueryType=0&x=9&y=9

And arrivals:
http://www.flightstats.com/go/FlightStatus/flightStatusByAirport.do?airport=sea&airportQueryDate=2008-12-21&airportQueryTime=0&airlineToFilter=(HA)+Hawaiian+Airlines&airportQueryType=1&x=49&y=4

@Matthew

by matthewsoft on Monday, December 29, 2008
It seems like they took their flight from Seattle to Oakland, and their connecting flight from Oakland to Hawaii was cancelled.. so technically, the terms should apply. Either way, it's REALLY unfortunate that the airline tried to simply tell these folks they were SOL without some kind of gracious gesture or attempt to rectify the situation.

It's as if these companies all behave like they have the monopoly on air travel and can treat their customers like crap. Either that, or their service is so terrible, they'd go broke trying to fix all of the costly screw-ups they commit. Any other industry and we would've BEEN given up on them.

by La Kane on Monday, December 29, 2008
@samper: They wouldn't be afforded lodging, however the rest would still apply I believe.

I understand the airlines don't want to purchase rooms for passengers that live in the city, but they really should offer something more, like transportation back to their homes or something. I had this happen to me on the way to Seattle, everything was going fine in my first leg until the pusher broke off something on the airplane, and we could have flown fine, but the captain wanted it fixed before we left. That was just the first of many problems, and although I was rerouted, more flights were late and US Airways was experiencing a massive reservations meltdown. I ended up going back to Chicago to try to make a non-stop flight, but we sat on the tarmac as the other two planes I was booked on left. So of course the airline was unwilling to pay for anything, and since I took a cab to the airport, it was cheaper to book a room than pay the cab fare back home and then back to the airport early in the morning. Of course I didn't sleep well at all because of the ordeal and fear I was going to miss the early morning flight. Overall it was just miserable, and of course all my other connections [five flights in total] were all on-time.

I should just fly Southwest.

@Matthew

by matthewsoft on Monday, December 29, 2008
HA SHOULD have found other flights on other carriers if need be to get this family to Oakland to make their connection to the islands. Unfortunately, as I learned in 2006 with Continental, they don't care. In my situation, we had discovered two days before we were to leave (on our own check) that they had moved up a flight time out of Newark to Aruba, thus our Buffalo departure would not have allowed us enough time to make our connection. We had to FIGHT tooth and nail with Continental to get rebooked on ANY flight--and it ended up being out of a city 2 hours away and we had to leave a day early to fly to Newark, got put up in the most seedy of hotels--and we were supposed to be grateful for that. No--it was a nightmare. And they did nothing to compensate for the inconvenience--in fact, when I said to reservation person (rude person, too) that I made my flight out of Buffalo on good faith and that they failed to notify me several months in advance of the time change on the connecting flight--it was their error--and that I thought they should find us seats on any Buffalo flight going to Newark--her response was "what do you want me to do--kick other people off the plane because YOU want to fly out of Buffalo?" Quite frankly lady--that isn't my problem, that's yours. As a result, we had to leave a day early (thus losing work time and money) and drive to much farther airport (gas) to make our vacation. And we were supposed to be grateful....

I would never fly Continental again. And Hawaiin Airlines seems to be one I wouldn't try now, either.

by C on Monday, December 29, 2008
A family 0f 11? Maybe the gods are punishing them for having way too many children? LOL , but seriously...

But with 11 people - wouldn't they have booked a group deal? It seems that flying a normal commercial deal would have been silly and, here, costly. But if they did book a group deal then the 240-type terms need not apply (sadly).

by Skeptic on Monday, December 29, 2008
It seems as though these folks originated in Seattle, in which case the terms above would not apply. What am I missing here?
by samper on Monday, December 29, 2008
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