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Stroke? Sorry, United will charge you to re-bank your frequent flyer miles. And get well soon.

Posted by George Hobica on Wednesday, February 18, 2009

Get a load of this. This is why people hate airlines:

"I have  a close friend who is 76 years old.  He used his United Frequent Flyer Miles to book two tickets to Ft. Lauderdale within 21 days of the flight.  United charged him $75.00 each to book.  No problem there...Then, just two days before the flight, he had a stroke and was rushed to the Hospital.  He spent 10 days in the hospital and another 10 days in ReHab.  Prior to the flight, His wife called United to cancel the flight and asked that the points be placed back into his Bank.  His Doctor faxed a letter to the airline as per instructions by the agent that cancelled the flight for her.   United charged them an additional $150.00 per ticket (on the credit card they held from the original $150.00 booking fee)  for placing the points back into his bank.  They are now out $450.00.   In talking with United, They claim that they do not have someone's health as an excuse for cancelling and that is why they charged the extra $150.00 per ticket.  This is an older couple who live on a fixed income.  The $300.00 charge under these circumstances is excessive and unreasonable.   Can you help?"

Disgusting. They're your friend's miles, what gives United the right to charge a whole $150 to re-bank them? And does it actually cost them $75 to issue a reward ticket? It's done on line these days, probably without human intervention.

Yes, I can help. Not by calling my friends at United, because I have none. However, I can sort of help by advising you to switch your loyalty to Southwest. Southwest doesn't charge for last minute frequent flyer tickets, because as soon as you earn enough points, they send you a an award, which you can keep until you're ready to use it.  (Fly 8 round trips, of any price or length, within a 24 month period and you'll get a free reward ticket.) You can also get credits toward free travel by renting cars, using a Southwest Visa credit card, staying in hotels, and so on.

Once you receive an award ticket, it's transferrable to anyone, without a fee. And if you book a trip using your award, and have to change your plans, does Southwest charge a fee? No, they do not. You can use the award for up to a year from the date of issue. But if the award "lapses" (i.e., goes out of date past the one year) you have up to another full year to pay a modest $50 fee to extend the validity for an additonal year. Which means, in effect, that after paying the fee, awards can be valid for up to three years. Pretty neat, eh? Read the rules for the Southwest Rapid Rewards Program.

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I absolutely agree on the cash back cards. I used to get NWA miles on my dining card, now I get cash back. Find the airline whose PURCHASED miles are cheapest--for NWA, it's Alaska Airlines, for American, it's Mexicana--and fly the airline that's most convenient, but get your miles on the one that's the better deal. "Loyalty" programs imply a commitment on both sides. Since there is none from the airlines, do what you need to do.
by mickisue on Friday, February 20, 2009
That's why I keep telling people that maybe a cash back credit card might make more sense. They can't take the cash back from you. American Express' Blue Cash Card awards 5% cash back on supermarket, gas station, and drugstore purchases and 1.5 % on everything else.

https://www201.americanexpress.com/cards/Applyfservlet?csi=67/24000/b/10/3384663335/338033120336/20/n&from=0&mgmID=undefined&intsearchct=1|994c843f07226760538f09c575bc88a1

by George Hobica on Friday, February 20, 2009
I have similar story about the sneaky and underhanded way United handles their frequent flyers. I lost all my United miles as they took them because there was no activity on my account. It is not that they couldn't find me as they kept sending all of their junk solicitation e-mails for buying flowers etc. They just didn't want to notify me hoping I would overlook it. The only way I found out was all of a sudden my monthly statement showed no miles. I have had other hotel programs do the same thing but at least they had the decency to warn me and give me an opportunity to earn some more or buy miles or points to which I would have done had United had the decency to notify me. I complained to them but to no avail. They tell me I can reinstate the miles I already earned for a service fee and added cost per 1000 miles that makes the process no financial sense. To my chagrin, about 3-4 years ago I got an e-mail from United about the victims of the Tsunami. I
donated all the miles I had at that time to that cause and now they repay me by stealing my miles like a "thief in the night". Needless to say I would rather walk now than fly the "friendly skies" and my business with them is done. Maybe you can warn other readers of these consumer unfriendly tactics.

by Dave on Friday, February 20, 2009
rather than having the miles put back into the account, use the same routing and book at a later date ... write United customer service office in Chi AND CC the president of the company (Tilton), and CC ALL your local television stations and newspapers, making sure the CC is NOT blind. You want customer service and Tilton to SEE where you've sent your letter of complaint.
by puakaloha on Thursday, February 19, 2009
United and AA are on their way out, if they keep up this way... no customer service, high fees, terrible loyalty programs, and very poor policies. No friendly skys anymore, I will "try" to use my last rewards and then I am gone for good.....fly Southwest and Jetblue, they care.
by flying starr on Thursday, February 19, 2009
Avoid United! Earned miles are supposed to be a reward for your loyalty to the airline. If that's how your treated, fly someone else.
I'm going to do just that!

by 1K flyer on Thursday, February 19, 2009
When my husband died, UA was the only airline to charge me a service fee ($75) to transfer my late husband's 20,000 miles to my mileage account. All the other airlines gave me his miles for free.

Note that UA waives many of their fees discussed above to their 1K customers...

by Tash on Thursday, February 19, 2009
It doesn't surprise me that United would pull something that low. They are well lnown in the industry for doing such things. Last Christmas they cancelled my flight from Denver for no apparent reason. I talked to an agent who said that he could book me on flight with another airline. He gave me the the flight information and a confirmation number for a Delta flight. After waiting in the long holiday lines at the airport counter, I found out that I was not booked on a Delta flight! They didn't even have a flight from Denver to Seattle! After hours of scrambling, and a lot of extra work on the part of the Delta agent, I finally got a flight home. I will NEVER fly United again!!!
by harbor gal on Thursday, February 19, 2009
I think UA has become heartless --- they never have any airfare available for the 25,000 miles....and their airfares are the highest between Des Moines, IA and Florida.....why is that?? We have to drive to Omaha, Minneapolis or Kansas City to get a decent fare??
by linweid on Thursday, February 19, 2009
I'm not surprised at this. My mother died of a cardiac arrest ON A UNITED FLIGHT. They not only refused to refund the portion of her ticket unused to my father. They required an additional 1000 for transportation of a corpse.
by No Surprise on Thursday, February 19, 2009
I had a similar experience with American Airlines. I had a heart attack last August which was followed with an immediate quadruple by-pass surgery on Sept. 2nd. I had used 25k frequent flyer miles to book a trip in July going to Barbados in September as they ran a special. I called American before my surgery and was told that it would cost me $750 to put the miles back into my account. I restated the amount and the agent confirmed the $750 fee. I told them that I could buy a ticket for that price. The agent who cancelled my reservation said I had a year to "reuse" the ticket but "only to Barbados". I said that was not a problem for me as I've been wanting to go there for a long time. I went to book a flight last month for this spring to Barbados and was told by an agent that I couldn't use that ticket because there were "no seats available until April" and, even if there were, it would take 35K. American now charged me $150 to put those miles back into my account but the agent credited my credit card for the fees paid on the original ticket. I still think it is outrageous to charge a "frequent flyer customer" a $150 fee to put miles back into their account.
by Mended Heart on Thursday, February 19, 2009
Another horrible United story. A few years ago I booked a flight from the East Coast to California using FF miles with one plane change in Chicago. The second flight had technical difficulties (part of the nose fell off!) and we waited hour after hour on the tarmac while they tried to fix it. Finally they took us off the plane and said they would rebook us on another plane but it would be several additional hours of waiting. Well, by this time, I had missed the event I was going to in California so I asked them to fly me back home and credit me the miles I had used for the ticket. No way. Although the situation was their fault entirely, they claimed I was not entitled to a refund because I had used half the ticket. I made many phone calls and sent in a complaint by e-mail. To no avail whatsoever.
by bakakaba on Thursday, February 19, 2009
I stoped using United 3 years ago for that simple reason. They could care a less about there customers. I will never again fly united and would like to see a boycott from everyone in america maybe they would finally get the message.
by fed up on Thursday, February 19, 2009
I am not surprised at all by this couples treatment from United Airlines. I have been consistently flying for over 30 years and have had nothing but lousy service with UA on virtually every flight booked. That's why I am an AA advantage member. But I also agree with all the above posts, SWA is an airline I choose quite often because of their decent and humane service and rules. It's no wonder that SWA is often not in bankruptcy. Customer service is first with them, they just don't fly everywhere I want to go.
by plk60614 on Thursday, February 19, 2009
Airlines will continue to treat the public poorly as long as people put up with it. Writing letters and making a public stink don't do a lot of good. Until people stop chasing the lowest fare all the time this type of treatment will continue. Only when the public votes with their $$ will anything really change. The rest is just white noise, and airlines are good at tuning it out.
by Flier on Thursday, February 19, 2009
For starters, I would file reports with the better business bureau, consumer protection agency, federal trade commission, etc. Then I would call up fox finders and have bill O'Reilly talk about it on the factor or whatever station you watch. After that, I would file with my local district court and have those a**h***** pay to have someone come to your town and waste time. You'll definitely get your $450.00 worth out of them.
by szchrist420 on Thursday, February 19, 2009
Persevere, ask to speak to a supervisor, and by all means contact Ombudsman. When my mom was dying three years ago, I had to change my flight three times and each time the United agent did it over the phone, patiently and compassionately, as I was sobbing so much I am sure it was hard to understand me at times. You will get this resolved. As mikisue says above, ask for a top supervisor, be firm and polite, and you will get redress.
by ctraveler on Thursday, February 19, 2009
I agree with "chilidog"...they just need to get a doctor's letter and UA should refund their monies. I book travel for my law firm and we recently had this happen with Delta. I faxed the doctor letter and a written request, and the full ticket amount was refunded.
by rubytiara on Thursday, February 19, 2009
I agree the stroke victim presents an ugly case, but I have some sympathy for the airlines (it's not just United) -- the "medical hardship" excuse was badly abused by passengers, and even the documentation requirement slowed it down only slightly -- too many MDs and other "health professionals" were willing to help out a patient in order to keep his/her business. The airlines still have a real headache trying to separate the real from the fake. (don't get me started on "service animal" claims...again, separating the real from the fake is a nightmare)

But yes, a letter and perhaps some more hoop-jumping-through should get some relief on the redeposit fee.

by lskohn on Thursday, February 19, 2009
Well, after all the hatin' on NWA last week--I booked a round trip using WorldPerks miles to SNA for next month, only to learn that I needed to get there a day earlier. My original cost was a whopping $10 for booking the flights. The change fee was $50, minus a $2.50 refund for the original fee, so I paid a total of $57.50, including the change fee.
I've found that calling back and calling back and (as one person suggested) writing is the way to get the service that you want. My youngest was flying home at Christmas from WAS, and got to the gate about a minute after the aircraft doors were closed. He, being only 23, didn't realize that he could ask his fellow travelers if he could move ahead in the security line which was extraordinarily long. At 5:30 am on Dec 23, the line for the only security for Midwest's gates was nearly 45 minutes long.
When he called to tell me what happened, I got into action. I called. I called again. I called and requested managers. FINALLY, I got a wonderful man who worked with my son to get him on a flight. It took him till midnight, when he was originally supposed to be home at noon, but he got home.
Stay polite, but firm. And keep calling back.

by mickisue on Thursday, February 19, 2009
But why should they charge such high fees to rebank OUR miles? Why any fees at all? I thought these were "free" tickets.
by Expurrrt Flier on Thursday, February 19, 2009
It's seldom in recent years that I've had a good flying experience outside of SW or Virgin America. Last October my wife and I had to cancel our non-refundable UA tickets ($800 total) when I was hospitalized for 10 days due to a sudden illness. I wasn't expecting anything back, but my wife contacted UA and received polite, explicit directions on how to file for a complete refund(!). My physician sent a letter to the UA contact provided to my wife, and amazingly we were credited the full amount within 2 weeks. I'm still wondering how this happened, but my opinion of UA changed for the positive. I agree with the post about contacting multiple times until someone who seems to listen and is familiar with what to do. Sorry to hear of George's friend's experience, which seems to more like the UA I have known.
by chilidog on Thursday, February 19, 2009
I have basically given up on using UA because of the unfriendly way they run and handle their award plan. I have enough other choices that I don't need to build up miles in a plan that I either can't use or ones that will just expire.
Bob

by Robert on Thursday, February 19, 2009
I, too, a former United loyal customer, now fly Southwest whenever I can to wherever I can. Recently, to get to Palm Springs...cheaper to go SW into Ontario and make the 60-minute drive! The cabin attendant service on the feeder SkyWest is head and shoulders above what you get on United! And I'm sure that United wonders why they lose passengers!
by Oma on Thursday, February 19, 2009
I think it's true. It's always a good idea to call back and then call again if you don't like the answer. We had a reader whose husband died and US Air refused at first to refund her and his airfares because they were non refundable. Unfortunately, they were only shamed into it when she brought it to the attention of local media. But how many situations can the media handle and respond to? Only the most egregious cases.
by on Thursday, February 19, 2009
I had a United free award coach ticket to Florida, and came down with the flu. I called and cancelled and tried to rebook. Nothing available to anywhere in Florida for the next 90 days. I was furious. I wrote a nasty letter to the president of United, and enclosed my award ticket. They replied with an "I'm sorry" letter, kept my award ticket, and included a voucher for $25.00 off my next United flight. Like I would book another United flight?? I think not! United is no longer a consideration when I make my travel plans.
by es - Dallas on Thursday, February 19, 2009
I'd switch to Southwest in a flash, if I could. Using Rapid City, SD as my primary airport only lets me take Delta/Nortwest or United or Frontier. Not a lot of choice with them. I spend hours on line trying to figure if it's better to drive the 500 miles toDenver for better choices.
by travelingnana on Thursday, February 19, 2009
I didn't have any problems. I booked a flight on miles to MSY (New Orleans) from Boston. I screwed up and didn't check -- the old default "home" airport was still listed as LGA instead of BOS (I had moved). The booking charge as $10. I booked a new miles ticket from BOS to MSY and called. They cancelled the BOS to MSY booking, refunded the $10 charge, and refunded my miles in full, no charge, no fee, no hassle.

In fact, United has always been very nice to me. Maybe I just got lucky with who I end up on the phone with? I think a lot of it is just dumb luck of if you do or don't end up connected with a sympathetic person who deals with your case.

by evewong on Thursday, February 19, 2009
My advice is to go DIRECTLY to your local newspaper or better yet, TV stations' action line.They love to embarrass the airlines' horrendous treatment of senior citizens. I wonder if the AARP might like to take up the cause? It can't hurt...........I must say when my father (same age) insisted on going to his son's wedding I took out an insurance policy for his first class ticket and after he had his stroke I got a complete refund...........just a side issue.....
by on Wednesday, February 18, 2009
This is un-bel-ieve-able. Did I spell that right? Don't the airlines have any pity? This is why I fly Southwest as much as I can, if they're going to where I am going.
by Expurrrt Flier on Wednesday, February 18, 2009
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