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Should obese passengers be required to buy an extra seat?

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Should obese passengers be required to buy an extra seat?

Posted by David Landsel on Friday, August 01, 2008

Should "customers of size" pay for their excess baggage?

                You're paying more to travel, and not just for your plane ticket. Every pound counts as the number of carriers charging for all checked luggage racks up. So it stands to reason that the public might be wondering why the airlines don't charge passengers with significant overages of a more, uh, personal nature.

                Southwest calls them "customers of size." Medical professionals would use the term obese. Bloggers and message board habitués use names that are a lot less polite.

                Many people assume that fat people are getting a free ride. But are they? Nearly all airlines keep it very quiet, but many have policies – informal or formal – in place to make sure that passengers of size carry their own weight.

                It's a tricky business. In some corners – Canada, for instance -- it just got trickier. A winter ruling barred Canadian airlines from discriminating against "clinically obese" customers. Southwest was successfully sued by a passenger who was told she needed to purchase a second seat after she had already boarded – too late, the ruling found. An ample Air France passenger won a case after citing humiliation at the hands of staff who wrapped packing tape around him in public to prove that he was too fat to sit one seat, forcing him to purchase another.

                Here's the funny part about those lawsuits. At the time, both Southwest and Air France had actual policies in place for dealing with overweight passengers. Southwest's policy has been around for years. It states that if staff determine that the passenger will not fit in one seat, the passenger must purchase a second, a cost which will be reimbursed if the flight is not full.

                Air France's policy was more loose, urging passengers who knew that not having an empty seat next to them would be a problem, to handle it on their own in advance. (As of this writing, Air France passengers "with a high body mass" are warned that if they do not purchase an extra seat their own, they may not be allowed to board.) In the end, both airlines were punished for being up front with their customers, even if the execution of the policy perhaps needed work. This is, after all, a terrifically sensitive matter.

                Perhaps that is why the topic, with many airlines, tends to be something along the lines of That Which We Don't Speak Of. Ask a major carrier like United Airlines what rules they have in place for dealing with the situation, and you'll hear a pregnant pause (followed by a terse "we have no policy.")

                American Airlines is more forthcoming, but hastens to emphasize that it does in no way require its passengers to purchase two seats. Spokesman Tim Wagner does say that passengers whose weight exceeds 250 lbs. should know that there are "possible limitations that could result in American not being able to accommodate them." He also states that the airline urges passengers to "recognize ahead of time that they may need to purchase two seats." He also cites the FAA regulation that all airlines adhere to – if you can't snap the seatbelt (after the extension is added, that is) you can't fly.

                JetBlue doesn't mind taking a more straightforward stance. Spokesperson Alison Eshelman says that their policy "requires" larger customers who need an additional seat for their own comfort to buy one in advance. If they do not, and the crew cannot accommodate them, they will be required to buy the seat in any case, with no refunds. (However, Eshelman notes correctly that JetBlue does offer its passengers a little more wiggle room with their larger-than-average seat width on board the airline's A320 aircraft.)

                But what of the growing awareness among the traveling public that it costs the airline more to transport an obese passenger than a passenger of average weight?

                Those hoping for any type of joy in that department should sit on their hands. (See: Lawsuits.) Delta's Susan Elliott states clearly that the airline "has no plans to implement any policy that discriminates against any of our passengers." Translation: This is one hot potato ain't nobody going to touch.  

 

DOES SIZE MATTER?
Here's a look at how different airlines deal with the "customer of size."

SOUTHWEST
Passengers should plan on purchasing an extra seat or risk being asked to do so at the airport by staff. If the flight is not sold out, the passenger may claim a refund.

AMERICAN
Airline states that passengers over 250 lbs. should recognize that there may be limitations to the service that the airline can provide, however, it does not require that you purchase an extra seat automatically.

UNITED
No policy whatsoever.

MIDWEST AIRLINES

Like Southwest, passengers are encouraged to know their needs in advance. If staff determine that two seats are required, the seat will be sold at the lowest possible fare, with a refund available if there is one or more open seats on the flight.

AIR FRANCE
Passengers with "high body mass" may receive a 25 percent discount on an extra seat, knowing that if it chooses to not buy the seat, it may risk not being able to fly.

JET BLUE
You are required to buy a second seat, and there are no refunds. 

DELTA

The airline "works to accommodate" passengers with special needs. Upon request and availability, it will try to make sure the next seat is unoccupied. However, if the plane is full, you will most likely be asked to leave the flight and buy a second seat on the next available flight. (You can actually count on this being a fairly typical practice on most airlines.)

Take our poll: Should clinically obese passengers be required to buy an extra seat? (It's the fifth question down, but feel free to vote on the questions 1-4 too!)

And please tell us what you think about this, er, weighty matter.


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Flygirl - Good point! When my husband and I are aboard your jet, we're your "in case of emergency spare flight crew" even if we don't tell you so when you do the emergency-row briefing with us. We've had many a discussion on "Will that one fit through the emergency hatch?" The FAA could solve the problem for everybody by treating the overly-sized like any other person whose disability prevents them from occupying an exit row. Size checks could be made at the gate just like luggage size checks are made. Or, if a seatbelt extender is used and/or an armrest must be raised, the size rule would apply. Limit their seat use to a certain number of rows adjacent to a full-sized entry door for emergency egress sake. Then the airlines would not have to be accused of discriminating - it would be a safety-of-flight rule that everyone must follow. Also, those seats are engineered only for certain weight loads. Perhaps the airlines should consider this when they allow a wide-body to board. If their weight exceeds the seat's design load, I don't want to be injured if it breaks loose in an emergency condition.
Gail - Horses are shipped only on cargo aircraft with special stalls and other equipment. People-carrying airlines don't allow large critters to share the cabin with people. The aircraft is either a people-carrier or it's not. If the FAA would allow airline-style flying on cargo aircraft, perhaps that would work for the wide-bodies. Until they do (or other accommodations are made) the 2-seat alternative is the only option.

For the politically correct and sensitive ones: When a wide-body boards, do you offer to trade seats with their seat mates and sit next to them? If you don't mind sitting next to them, and I do, we should trade seats and everyone will be happy.

by on Sunday, August 17, 2008
To the Obese:
If my extra-weight bag is going to cost, then your extra-weight body should too! Those of us that work diligently to stay small enough to fit into a standard seat do not appreciate wide-body encroachment into the space we paid for! Also, if a seatbelt extension is required, the airlines should charge for it (just like they charge for everything else).

by on Sunday, August 17, 2008
I have trouble fitting in one seat. I buy two seats, problem solved. I have plenty of room plus I don't have to worry about my backfat imposing on the sanctimonious. Trust me $2 or 3 hundred is a small price to pay to not have to deal with anyone's complaining.
by Big Scott on Wednesday, August 13, 2008
USA 3000 does NOT require you to pay for an extra seat if you are obese or overweight.
The women I spoke with stated " We do not charge passagers who are taller or wider extra fees or require them to pay for an extra seat. (Other airline policys requiring removal the plane or extra fees) Are just cruel. " I t should be noted that passagers are not usually crammed into planes on this airline and the middle seat is often open for elbow room.
-As a note: conversation happened on August 2 2008

by Cindy on Monday, August 11, 2008
As far as the overweight issue on planes.
I see both sides, but as a somewhat short woman, I have been pushed and had my space invaded by younger people of both sexes and by men who are [in general] larger. Some of these people were just rude and believed their right to space was greater than mine, but many - not fat people take up more than one economy seat. So should broad shouldered people and all others who overflow the seat also be charged?

by Mair on Friday, August 08, 2008
There are all kinds of discrimination, of which this is one. If the airlines would make seats fit the "majority" of people, instead of economizing to get more seats on a plane, than this would really be limited to very few. How embarrassing it is for those customers to be told they must buy another seat. Is this done in front of others? Sounds like all the airlines need to rethink this policy. What about crying children, if I have to sit next to one of those, should I get discounted for my "space" being compromised?
by Not an obese customer on Friday, August 08, 2008
BEING AN OVERWEIGHT PERSON, I AM VERY CONSCIOUS OF INFRINGING ON OTHER PEOPLES SPACE. IT IS EMBARASSING FOR THE OVERWEIGHT PERSON TO ASK FOR AN EXTENDER. THIS IS WHY I ONLY FLY JET BLUE. NOT ONLY ARE THEIR SEATS ACCOMMODATING, BUT SO ARE THEIR SEAT BELTS. THE LEGROOM IS AWESOME. NOT TO MENTION THE FLIGHT ATTENDANTS ARE THE MOST PLEASANT ANYWHERE. FLIGHTS ARE GETTING VERY EXPENSIVE AND IF THEY BEGIN TO CHARGE FOR TWO SEATS, THIS WILL MEAN NO TRAVEL FOR MANY. UNFORTUNATELY MANY PEOPLE HAVE HEALTH ISSUES THAT PREVENT THEM FROM LOSING WEIGHT. OH WHAT I WOULDN'T GIVE TO BE A TOOTHPICK.
by JK on Thursday, August 07, 2008
Exxcuuuse me! I really got weary from reading all these comments from both fatties and skinnies. My opinion: this problem should be owned by the airline. If the seat is too small for today's larger human - for gawd's sake enlarge the seats for the comfort of all! I would really like air travel a whole lot more if the seats were more comfortable. I'm "normal" sized and it's like a torture chamber travelling on a 5 or 6 hour flight. Hence - many trips to the rest room!
by Dandy's Mom on Thursday, August 07, 2008
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